ARROWS FOR NEW WIDOW - Hockey7

Hey Guys....just got my new PMA, coco and osage, real nice shooting bow. It's 60" and 54@28". I can usually get an Easton Axis 400 with 200 to tune, but shows real weak bare shafting. I'm a lefty and draw exactly 28", and shoot 3 under. I have better results with a Gold Tip 55/75 with 200-250. Good but not great. Anyone have the same set-up...what arrows are you using. thanks

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Wojo14
March 29th, 2014 07:03:34am
I too had trouble with carbon. I switched to wood. Lots more choices/options. It is less expensive if you enjoy building arrows like I do. Plus wood just flys differently out of a Longbow and recurve. Just my 2 cents. Good luck.

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Andy Man
March 29th, 2014 07:03:35am

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according to Stew Millers calculator : GT traditional 75-95 cut to 29.5" (BOP) with a 250 grain point regular GT insert and a wrap with 3- 5" feathers gives a 615 grain arow (11.4 grains/pound of draw weight) should give your the dynamic spine you need : also a easton axsis 300 cut to 29.25" with same set up should work Like wojo above I like wood; but you would be in the hard to get higher spine range

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Andy Man
March 29th, 2014 07:03:12am

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would have to go to a much lighter point to get the 55-75 to work for you, even a 175 grain point might have to cut the shaft too short to shoot safely, and would be kinda light GPP

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Andy Man
March 29th, 2014 07:03:05am

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with wood you would need 80-85 # spine cut to 29.5" (BOP) with a 125 grain point and 3 - 5" feathers to work

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Wojo14
March 29th, 2014 08:03:02am
I like wood for 35-50 pound bows. I also found that after I bare shaft, trad cut feathers really stabilize the arrow. Slows it down a bit, but accuracy is way more important to me. I agree with andy, you would have to go big spine on wood, and 300-340 spine on the carbons. 400 is way to weak for 54 #.

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Hockey7
March 29th, 2014 10:03:24am

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Yah....don't really like wood, have some, but not in that spine range. I love the smaller diameter carbons. I thought I could play with point weight and get a 400 to tune, but looks like a 340 in a FMJ or Axis. Actually Andy Man, I'm shooting that exact Gold tip set up, but with black Hunter shafts, 29.5", and 250 up front. I use wraps and 3 4" helicals. Just takes some time getting set up, didn't think I'd need that stiff a carbon though, but you have to go with what the bow tells you. I also put a SBD skinny string on which usually requires a stiffer spine. thanks

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Andy Man
March 29th, 2014 12:03:34pm

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Not only will the skinny string require a stiffer dynamic spine, so will the lighter gpi hunter black shafts along with the less weight of 4" feathers

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Hockey7
April 1st, 2014 04:04:54am

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-found some old Carbon Express CXL camo 350's from my compound days. Bareshafted one, and perfection. I can use 175-225 up front. The only thing is that these are discontinued and hard to find, but I've got a dozen until I come up with something else.

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Willie
April 1st, 2014 12:04:08pm
in carbon express i would say 250,350 would be stiff unless you shooting brick for point.i can bare shaft 250 with 150 grain point @ 28 1/2" draw out of a 62# pma.i keep all my arrow weights between 600 - 650 grains. i shoot 250 shafts out of a 57#@28 1/2" draw 175 grain point out of a robertson stickbow with d-97 string. 150 -200 grain point is all you will ever need imo (200 grain point is the heaviest i will consider to shoot (prefer 150 or 175). i have all three sizes carbon express and these were my results.

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Hockey7
April 1st, 2014 06:04:09pm

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Well, willie....here ya go..... shot taken from about 7yds. I took the picture from an angle, but you can see the shaft is in straight, no left/right, or up/down. This is with a 200 gr point. This is my result.

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Willie
April 2nd, 2014 08:04:06pm
hockey 7 when i bare shaft tune i don't just do it at one distance. i check my up to 30 yards and instead of seeing where arrow is in target (angle) i watch it in flight and see if it will group with feathered arrows.I hope you found your arrow and it will make it a good shooting bow. Just don't go by 1 particular yardage.

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Paul M
April 3rd, 2014 07:04:21am

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I just tuned some GT3555 with the point and nock adaps. I put 175 grs. field points I was able to add 20 grains. to the nock end and the bareshafts flew awesome after that I and 20 grains to the front and 20 the nock end to increase overall weight. awesome system my PL is 57@27 arrows are 30". the lesson is to tinker w arrows

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GILBERT
April 5th, 2014 03:04:01pm

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Folks, Willie's post about Bare shafting out at further distances leaves nothing to argue about.........Good post Willie!

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DJTJR
May 16th, 2014 07:05:28pm

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I Find I have to be farther back to bare shaft tune. I will often get perfect flight to 20 yards then I take 2 steps back and the arrow hits the target way off weak. If they fly well for me at 25 they usually will at any distance but in too close can give you misleading results.

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Sandman
May 17th, 2014 11:05:54am
Andy Man just got my new widow and was wondering if you could calculate what I would need to do to get a 2016 with 150 grns up to tune up .My bow is 45# at 25 inches,Ishoot three under and my bow is 54 inches long.
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