Age old question? - Buckshotap

Every time I get ready to buy a new Widow that age old question just wears out my brain (Driving to Nixa on Monday). What is the minimum draw wt. that is enough for deer size game with shots out to 25 yds.? At 65(soon to be 66), I am more concerned with that question than ever. I am in decent shape & can still spend a month chasing elk in the Rockies. But, as time erodes all that, I need to minimize my draw wt. for deer. So, if any of you seniors or youngsters can share your experiences with bows under 50# & how they performed on deer, please help me decide on a minimum draw wt.. Getting older but still kicking, just not as hard as I use to!

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Andy Man
November 27th, 2013 06:11:16am

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Personally, I think as long as you meet state law requirement , and make a good shot with a sharp cut on contact head , it dosn't matter. This Deer I killed when I was 10 years old with a all fiberglass bow (25#) arrow in rack (what got him) was home made (Mom helped make it) kids arrow shaft with a stone point found in the field,(recycled & resharpened by her) deer ran up the hill from the creek bottom and fell (In sight) I have dropped down to 50#'s at my age of 60 years (and doing what my old 60# bows did, just as well and have seen no difference), and thinking of going to 46# in the future if need be hope I helped

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Buckshotap
November 27th, 2013 07:11:44am

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Andy man, thanks a lot. That is remarkable, 25#! I have been thinking 45-48#. The last deer I shot was with 50# & a PL at 22 steps. The arrow went through & hit the opposite shoulder. He was a muscled up 8pt..

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Lefty
November 27th, 2013 08:11:09am

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I have done the same with the last 2 Widows I have ordered. Dropped about 6-7 pounds down to 49 @ 28" on the PA and 48@28 on the PL. makes a big difference especially from a tree stand. I was always high fifties-sixty at my draw length.

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Oldskool
November 27th, 2013 08:11:08am

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I use my CHX 44@28 and get complete pass thru shots on all 5 deer I have shot. Sharp broad head and shot placement is the key.

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Buckshotap
November 27th, 2013 11:11:34am

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That helps me a lot on what it takes for a pass through. I've never shot a deer with a bow around 44#. Was the distance 25, 20 or less on those pass thrus? Sharp brd. hds. can make up for some poundage I would think

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Greybark
November 27th, 2013 11:11:16am
Hey Buckshotap , Tradies are in trouble when their age exceeds their poundage LOL. At 74 I know exactly what you are going thru . I have two PTFX`s , one at 50 lbs that I practice and hunt with and a very pretty 48 lber I use as my go to 3-d bow . I now get colder faster while in a tree stand and may have to resort to using tha lighter one . LOL Cheers from the Country that has everything except the Stanley Cup ...

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Tine Tickler
November 27th, 2013 01:11:52pm

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Using a MAB that I've had camo dipped 45lbs at @29in. no trouble with complete penetration on deer, and I'm 68 yrs young.also have a KB3 with snakeskins 42 lbs @ 29in. same results!

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Buckshotap
November 27th, 2013 02:11:21pm

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Thanks Tine Tickler. That re-enforces what I'm leaning toward in the new bows, 45-47#. Also makes me more comfortable in my belief that I will be able to shoot them for a few more yrs. after 65/66.

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Buckshotap
November 27th, 2013 06:11:35pm

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Forgot to mention that 65/66 yrs. of aging affects more than poundage. Would list the other things but the list is too long & some items are x-rated!

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Dsturgissr
December 1st, 2013 05:12:31pm

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Chronic tendonitis in my left elbow made it too painful to shoot my bow accurately or comfortably any longer so at age 70 started shooting left handed. Started with 30# and by hunting season could handle 45#. Have since taken 28 deer, 6 turkeys, and 2 coyotes, hoping for a couple of does this late season. All of the animals have been taken with 43 to 50 pound bows. Several deer were 200 pound plus animals. Really haven't noticed a severe lack of penetration on any thing other than a turkey, direct wingbone hit resulting in a bounce off. This past fall took a 9pt and a 10pt with a 43# PSRX. I'm now 76 years old. Denny Sturgis Sr

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Buckshotap
December 4th, 2013 03:12:37pm

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Now that's encouragement! I admire your stick to it attitude & success! I just got a 45# PCHX off the wall at BW Monday thanks to all the input. I'll draw 42-43#. Also picked out a PLX at 48# because it was ready to go or I would have got a 45#er. Should draw about 45-46# with it. Wanted to take the PCHX hunting tomorrow but the wind is howling right now & we are going to get hit with ice/snow tomorrow & Friday here in SE MO. Just my luck after getting the PCHX ready to go. Tried going hunting with slick ice on the roads before. Learned a big lesson-don't go under those conditions. Thanks to all who participated in my BIG decision!

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DennyK
December 5th, 2013 04:12:16pm

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One of the deer I shot was 18 yards awaybroad-side. I was using a Easton 2018 tipped with a 145 gr Snuffer, after the arrow exited the deer I found it embedded in a log at the bottom of a creek. Bow was 49# PSAX-27 inch draw. You will have NO problems.

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Badgerman
December 5th, 2013 05:12:41pm

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I am 78 years old and have never had difficulty killing deer with a bow in the middle 40's, altho as stated sharp broadheads are the key. I have shot right handed for 55 years altho last june I severly injured my right rotator cuff and after an MRI was told I would never pull a bow on the right side so I am now learning to shoot left handed, fortunately I'm left eye dominant. I have a 43# long bow which I thought would be a piece of cake to draw. This was not the case so I am doing weights and pulling a bow 4 pounds heavier to build strength. I can now reach anchor with too much effort but will keep working on it. What is real surprising is that even with the same anchor on my left as on my right---index finger on eye tooth---I am about 2" shorter on draw length. Any suggestions to help with my transition? Maybe old age is finaly catching up to me. My goal is to kill a buck at 80 if I can accomplish my mission of keeping arrows in a pie plate at 20 yds as a soft-paw. badgerman

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Buckshotap
December 5th, 2013 08:12:08pm

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Thanks Denny K & Badgerman & all you other wallers who took time to ease my concerns. I can't wait to get out & stick one with the PCHX. I feel very confident after reading all these posts. I also feel a renewed sense of keeping on keeping on at 65. The PLX is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow weather permitting. Will post a couple pictures of both. Them "Widders" are works of art! Weatherman was spot on about what we can expect here in SE MO tonight-ICE!

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Dsturgissr
December 6th, 2013 02:12:19pm

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Badgerman, think the secret to switching to lefthanded is to start with a light weight bow. You have a win win situation with your left being your dominate eye. I am strongly right eye dominate, have to shoot with my right eye closed. e-mail me with any questions dsturgis.sr@gmail.com Buckshotap, congrats on the new bows, PL longbow are excellent bows. Denny Sr. s

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Buckshotap
December 10th, 2013 06:12:50pm

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Agree PLs are fine bows based on my previous experiences. Killed my best traditional bow buck with a PLX. That's why I had to have another one before I stop looking for that perfect bow. Been looking for that bow since 1967! Figure the PCHX & PLX make a good double barrel & are as close as I will ever get to that quest for the perfect bow. Shot the PLX today after tuning & the temperature warmed up to a balmy 20 deg.. It's a keeper! Wasn't sure about the Anegra wood at first but the more I look at it, the better it looks. Better be ok. I don't think BW has a buy back policy.

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Cyrille 1
December 19th, 2013 06:12:19pm
I must be an anomaly I am almost seventy-three and still using my 50# BW PMA for hunting and target shooting best bow I have in my "stable."

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Buckshotap
December 20th, 2013 08:12:38am

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I'm 66 in Feb. & can still shoot 48-50# but I am thinking preventative medicine with 45&48# @28" on my 2 new bows. I draw about 43&46#. Lost my left arm a few yrs. ago for 1 1/2 yrs. as far as shooting a bow. Had to go to a crossbow to keep in the game. Hated it! Sold it this yr.. Hope I never need one again! Had given up on ever shooting a bow again but was granted a miracle. I have been able to shoot a bow without trouble since. Thus, the preventative attitude. Anomaly or not, it's great you are still flinging arrows. Gives the rest of us old geezers hope! Not calling you an old geezer. Just me.

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Recurve
June 28th, 2014 05:06:19am
I really enjoy looking back and searching for interesting reads on the wall. After not being able to sleep I was up during the night and came across this one. I have to be honest with all of you who posted their views on this one. This is by far the best read IMHO on the wall. After reading each one of your concerns and advice I had to sit back in my chair for a moment and with a slight grin on my face I was moved by what was in front of me. When you put profound thought to what your looking here it hit me like a ton. 80's,70's and 60's in age was talking here. My take from how I was seeing it was you all are still in the game fighting the good fight and keeping it that way. Never giving in. Just amazing to read this post. To all you young folks out there it doesn't get any better then what you got right here. The last of an era of the Old School Boys. I would love to see all of you lined up together with your hunten garb on with your widow bows in hand what a photo op that would be. Age is wisdom and with all those traditional years stacked up it doesn't get any better then this. I wish you all the best in your hunting adventures. Great read Vets. And by the way you all answered my question with 44lbs that I was concerned with. Thanks

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Buckshotap
June 28th, 2014 08:06:45am

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Recurve, Sad to say but I am old school now. Doesn't seem like it's been that long since I was 19 & dragging my first bow kill out of the woods. Ben Pearson, wood arrow & a doe. I knew absolutely nothing about bows, tuning or arrows, except what I saw Indians do at the movies. Couldn't easily find archery equipment around here in 1967. There was no one to help me get started. Just trial & error & the passion I had for bows & hunting. My Dad started the fire with a hickory limb bow he made for me when I was a boy. He was not a bow hunter. He also bought that Ben Pearson for me. He opened the door & I have never closed it all these years. I guess he could see the passion in me. Young guys are truly fortunate to have all the information available today. BW offers this wall to us to use for free & it is a great resource! It would be awesome to have a picture of all the old school boys that participate here! I love looking at pictures of bow hunters with the gear they use. I suspect that will have to remain a dream but that's ok as dreams are what make up a good life. Hope all of you had as great a Dad as I did. I still see him in my dreams.

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George L
June 28th, 2014 12:06:27pm

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For me, I have a 43# @ 28" PSA. I bought this bow 3 years ago. I bought it to carry me into the future as a "Maturing Archer" I have owned many customs bows in the past. I even have a left handed Bear Grizzly that I shot as a younger archer. The Bear is 75#@28". I shot cedar arrows at the time. Cant pul it any more! The 43# PSA with a heavy arrow is a great choice for me. When the arrow hits, it just won't stop. It allows me to practice more and enjoy it more!

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Doug
June 28th, 2014 06:06:32pm
40# will cover about any state as far as deer go, Ark. minimum has gone down to 35# from 40#. a 40# widow is bad medicine on them critters.

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Hawk
June 28th, 2014 09:06:32pm
Fellow Widow Owners, Long story short. A modern bow, like our Widows performs like a factory bow of 30+ years ago that had a 9-10 Lbs heavier draw weight. Back then a heavy bow bow was considered something in the low 50's and higher. Bottom line is that we should not feel" undergunned " for shooting something in the 40s for hunting. Bareshaft, 9-11 grains per pound, shaving sharp cut on contact head. Go kill something. Like I told a guy new to recurves at the Supershow. It is rocket science.

Re: Andy Man

Recurve
July 4th, 2014 12:07:43am
Andy Man I have to admit that your story on your picture above you posted about your Mother and you brought a slight wetness to my eye. These kinds of stories are priceless. You have to crawl into the content of what Andy Man is telling us. Put profound thought to that slot in time many years ago. A 10 year old boy making a bow kill all on his own with the help of his Mother. She helping put all the pieces together in helping make this happen. Are you kidding me these are the kinds of stories that movies are made of. Were talking here about a 10 YR OLD BOY. Andy Man you were chasing Whitetails around and pulling off one of the most remarkable kills ever at the age of 10 with a 25# fiberglass Bow and with a real arrowhead retooled to make this all possible. And to have your Lovely Mother helping you pull this off. This one is off the charts. I'd pay good money to see this one on the Big Screen. I'm sure there's a whole lot more behind this one then what's being told. My Goodness. I want to thank you Andy Man for sharing this one on the Wall.
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