Wood Arrows - Andy Man

Any of you guys done this? thinking of going back to wood arrows totally; started with them ,went to aluminums and then carbons, ben shooting alot of woods lately and just seem to like them beter Using Douglas Fir right now; seem to hold up better stump shooting , and just have that feel anybody else give up on the carbons

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Oldskool
June 7th, 2013 07:06:55pm

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I put aluminum footings on my carbons. Most bomb proof arrow I ever shot

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GILBERT
June 7th, 2013 08:06:25pm

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Andy Man, I have always had one recurve bow set up with wood arrows. My Widows are set up with carbon arrows. It is impossible for me to totally give up wood arrows. I started with wood arrows in the very late 50s, very early 60s. That certain (as you call it, feeling) for wood arrows is still, and will always be there. I am glad to see you bring up this thread. I had been thinking of setting one of my PSA-Xs with wood arrows. I am going to, after reading your thread. There is nothing like getting a raw wood shaft, and the enjoyment of building your own arrows.....pride is better word for it.

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Andy Man
June 8th, 2013 06:06:09am

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Gilbert; Know that warm fuzzy feeling , that wood shafts have; I learned on them and keep going back to them, Just trashed 7 dozen carbons, only keeping my wood and a few aluminums for the rare times I shoot foam(pull easier) like making the wood so much beter , and don't need all of the inserts, wraps , etc

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David B.
June 8th, 2013 10:06:16am

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Hi guys, I started shooting cedars from my longbow for the first time a month ago I like them. but I'm not sure why. they break easier than carbons, I bet I broke over a dozen in a month missing the target, and I even broke a few pulling them from an old mckenzie 3d target. although one batch I ordered are not cedar and I broke 4 of those just straightening them out of the box, not sure what wood it is. I have to straighten my cedars all the time,and still I enjoy shooting them, I love the smell of the cedar when I taper the point end! I don't build them yet. maybe some day. I am waiting on a new plx and I plan to shoot cedars from it. I shoot carbons from my recurves. there is something about longbows and woodies!..take care db

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Andy Man
June 8th, 2013 11:06:49am

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Douglas Fir from Sherwood ; much tougher than cedar coat with a litle wax; then easier to pull from foam; grasp near target and rotate as pulling, sounds like you got some funky shafts; My cedars did well though would snap blunts stump shooting if hit something hard the Fir make beter stumpers very tough

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GILBERT
June 8th, 2013 11:06:08am

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Dang Andy, those are some pretty,and serious looking wood arrows. The reason I had been thinking of setting up one of my Widows with wood arrows is that Milt and I shot my old TD Super Kodiak that has been set up with wood arrows (frever it seems)thru his Hooter Shooter....AND they can and are very accurate as well. I like the benefits of the quiet flight too. One thing that has baffled me all of my life in archery is wood arrows are not, near as straight as lets say Aluminum, or Carbons....BUT!!! slightly crooked as they might be they still are very, very accurate. My wood arrows are my time machine, when I shoot them it is a blast into the past....AND that warm, fuzzy feeling ( as you say) is there....always. Wood arrows breaking easier than Aluminum, and Carbons??...a small price to pay in my opinion. David, yes the smell of cedar.

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Bow Collector
June 9th, 2013 01:06:55am

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Arrows are arrows, it's the good arrow that makes a poor bow a good shooter, but then you take A Widow and a good Arrow and you have a Tack Driver, Do We All Agree? Therefore I go Victory V6 shafts for the best accuracy possible they are shooters and tough as nails.

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GILBERT
June 9th, 2013 06:06:05am

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???????????????? Friend, I think you missed Andy Man's point here. NOBODY is claiming that carbons are not(if not) the most accurate arrows available. Shooting wood arrows is not for everybody I guess but we that do, do it simply for the love of the tradition. As Andy puts it " for the love of that warm muzzy feeling shooting them". They are plenty accurate. Yes more maintenance involved but well worth it to they who like them. There is so much more to wood arrows that you are not aware of. Besides different stronger woods available, there is wood grain indexing, footing your shafts to make them stronger, not to mention several other methods invented by the old archers of back then. There is nothing as beautiful as a well made arrow, crowned, crested, and fletched....such as in the pic Andy posted . I SHOOT CARBONS AS WELL but to imply that there is no place for wood arrows???...you are wrong friend. I guess you would tell Howard Hill that he was doing it all wrong because he shot wood arrows, or Fred Bear who harvested countless game all around the world, mostly one shot kills....with wood arrows. You might try to contact Byron Ferguson and advice him how to do it, and so many more old archers of back then that got us to where we are at today...using wood arrows. With all due respect to you friend, enjoy you choices of bow and arrows.

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DennyK
June 11th, 2013 05:06:52pm

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Andy Man- Actually that is going to be my project this winter. I am and alunimum shooter but really find myself missing the feel, creativity and the pleasure of wood arrow crafting and shooting. Want to start off with a couple dozen Sherwood Doug Fir and ujust have fun from there. Looking foreward to it!

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GILBERT
June 11th, 2013 06:06:23pm

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Hi Denny, I still have your bow. As a matter of fact it is your old MA-X that I am in the process of setting up with wood arrows. The gratification , and sense of accomplishment building your own is without equal...you are in for some major fun buddy. There is nothing wrong with buying them allready made to your specs either. I myself being the selfish kind of guy do not want anybody having fun building mine...LOL!! Andy Man, did you build yours shown in the second pic? I like them, and am going to copy them if you do not mind.

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Andy Man
June 11th, 2013 06:06:34pm

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Snag on the leather wall built these

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Andy Man
June 11th, 2013 07:06:53pm

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Wilderness custom arrows (David Lawson)built the above with the Black crown dip- has some perty examples on his web site I build these with the white dip

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DennyK
June 11th, 2013 07:06:45pm

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Hey Gilbert-Good for you! Hope you are doing well. I've got everything as far as equipment goes with exception of a woodchuck tapering tool. Love to find a used one in great shape.

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David B.
June 12th, 2013 07:06:40am

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morning.......Andy man; do you have to modify the serving on your string to get the classic nocks to fit tight enough? Thanks db

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Andy Man
June 12th, 2013 05:06:42pm

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A little loose with the factory string , but works OK, I generally make my own 14 strand Dynaflight 97 strings with the large (thicker) braded serving (like BW uses but the thicker diameter)

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GILBERT
June 13th, 2013 10:06:22am

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Like I stated before there is nothing wrong with getting arrows made to your specs, there are some extremely talented Arrowsmiths out there. Having said that....again. Andy Man, the arrows in the pic with the black crown, are they Douglas fir, what are their arrow length (from inside of nock to back of field point), spine weight (11/32 or 23/64s?), and weight of the whole arrow as pictured. AND!!!, can you give me the number or e-mail address to they who made them for you. I think I will give Douglas Fir a try (after decades of using cedar). I keep hearing a lot of good stuff about Douglas Fir. SO, I will give then a try...that is why I ask about the arrow length and arrow weight...for comparison.

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Andy Man
June 13th, 2013 03:06:12pm

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Gilbert: E;mail to sherwood ::http://surewoodshafts.com/prices.html mine are 60-65# spine with 125 grain points and 27" from valley of nock to back of point, 11/32" used to shoot cedar (ACME) and then Rose City; now using the Douglas fir and like them just as well or beter (don't break points off as easily stump shooting & stay plenty straight (maybe not as good as cedar does, but not enough to be a notice if sealed right

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Andy Man
June 13th, 2013 03:06:13pm

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E mail wilderness custom arrows (Dave Larson) uses Sherwood Douglas Fir where the black dipped came from http://wildernesscustomarrows.com/ these are 11'32" tapered to 5'16" at the nock end 27" valey of nock to BOP with 135 grain eclipse(journeyman head) weigh 530 grains) Journeyman heads might be 145 grain also 60-65 spine Bow 50# PTF 50#@ 26" drew also use same arrow from 47 # ptf and 50# Long bow (PL) though a litle stiff spine for the PL they still shoot great from it (wood seem to be much more forgiving of spine over carbon for me)

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GILBERT
June 13th, 2013 03:06:07pm

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Thanks Andy Man, I find your last comment to be true for me as well. They are more forgiving over spine...... accuracy, and perfect arrow flight is still there even when my spine tester shows some difference in spine between them. Plus, they quiet my recurves down....a lot! Wood arrows, you got to love them.

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Andy Man
June 13th, 2013 06:06:44pm

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Gilbert: Just got a box of 100 raw tapered shafts from Sherwood worked out like this 1 not useable 2/3's premimum grain 1/3 useable but not perfect (stmp shooters) weighed out raw cut and tapered for 27" BOP 360 grains, 380 grains, 400 grains, 420 grains (mostly 380 about equal 360 and 400 grains few 420 grains plan to stain, dip and clear coat, crest and give 3rd clear coat and have ready to replenish the ones I have (better to do it now and have ready than wait until hunting season of winter

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GILBERT
June 13th, 2013 08:06:55pm

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YEP! Andy Man, making arrows, and getting them ready ahead of time is an enjoyment that many of us know. Now is the time to do it. I hear so much of wood arrows breaking, and mostly breaks occur right behind the field point/broadhead. I am going to explain what I have done for many, many years to alleviate that. Determine the length of the raw shaft , including the extra 1 inch for the fp/bd taper. At this point I do not taper the determined front end for field points. I built a drill jig years ago to drill the front of the shaft in the center with a 1/8" drill bid.... 1-1/2" deep. I then take a 1/8" O.D aluminum rod (purchased at a local welding shop), and cut a 1 inch long piece. I use 5 minute epoxy, and smear it inside the drilled hole on the shaft with a toothpick, and also apply epoxy to the 1 inch piece of aluminum rod. I then push it into the center hole drilled until it hits bottom, and stops....... therefore 1/2" of the aluminum rod piece will be 1/2" in the shaft above the point of the back of field point taper, and 1/2" into the taper. By the time you do all else required the epoxy will be hard and ready for the wood arrow to stand to the abuse of stomp shooting. I have been doing this to all my shafts as far back as I can remember, and have very little problems with breakage. It is just a fast way to strengthen that critical weak point, not as pretty as footing but it has worked for me for years. I might add that the weight of the 1 inch piece of aluminum rod is approx. 12 grs or so. What are you using for clear coat?...Gasket Clear???....Bohning??

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GILBERT
June 13th, 2013 08:06:21pm

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OOPS!, I forgot to mention, I plug the remaining front 1/2" drilled center hole with a 1/2" long piece of 1/8" O. D. wood dowel w/epoxy also.

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Andy Man
June 14th, 2013 02:06:58am

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clear coat with Dallys Pro fin, or Helsmans spa varnish, or diluted oil base poly (minwax stain with Oil base minwax stain sealer crest with estors or true North acrylic steel wool between coats of clear coat (2 base coats, crest and final cover coat (not steel wooled Three Rovers now selling a jiig to do as you have been doing My friend used to cut a slip in the point end or sometimes a x split and glue in a piece of micarta before tapering to stregthen with the Fir I don't seem to have the breakage problem as with cedar?? Had some ash from silent pond (out of business) they were break proof actually had to drill through my Judo points and rivit through with a finishing nail to keep the hard impact from dislodging them right now very happy with the Fir as is

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GILBERT
June 14th, 2013 11:06:26am

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Andy Man, in trading notes with you it is obvious that your involvement and experience with wood arrows is very extensive. As long as I have been involved with wood arrows I always learn something from other folks. I get my tapered raw shafts from Kustom King, matched to within 10grs in weight and very closely matched in spine as well per doz. Once in a while I get lucky and am able to buy 2 or 3 doz (at times more) that all will match in weight, and spine. Years ago I decided to not buy in bulk as I used to, and have shafts left that would see very little use. Imagine, I used to buy in bulk, 1000 count. That was some work in sorting them out. I decided that was to much fun for this old fart..LOL!!!

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Andy Man
June 14th, 2013 02:06:25pm

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used to get them from ACME by the 1,000 electronically spined then sorted by weight very particular with spine and weight of my hunting arrows, but I like to shoot them and don't mind sending one into the wild blue yonder at a squirrel/wood pecker , etc I would doubt if you could tell 20 grain weight difference (the raw weight groups won't match after stained, dipped and clear coated ) I get hand spined , and weighed premimums for my hunting arrows , but use the bulk , electronically spined and weigh them out to 10 to 20 grain matchesfor ground hogs, stumping , targets usually do my own tapering I don't like to get too atached to a dozen dogs and I spent all morning stumping and creek and pond swimming sent 2 arrows deep into a hedge row after ground hogs , not a prayer of getting in there to find them both were very close misses at 35 yards or so had fun

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DennyK
June 14th, 2013 06:06:25pm

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Andy Man-Just reread your post on the arrows you made, Beautiful job! I see you carry a Buck model 110 tapering tool too. ;)

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Andy Man
June 22nd, 2013 12:06:30pm

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just finishing up a stash of 100 sherwood douglas fir (all weighed,spined and ready for feathersand points when needed) sample of cresting colors I did

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