"Skinny" Strings?! - Bowhunter4life

I recently bought an older SA III, it came with the standard DF 97 string and a "Skinny" string. The Skinny string was made by the previous owner. 10 strand Ultracam padded to 16 in the loops. Now, a little history of my experience... I used to shoot SA/PSA recurves exclusively for almost 4 years, '00-'04, then ventured into longbows for the silence. There was an obvious difference between the recurves I was shooting and pretty much any longbow I picked up, so I have shot longbows almost exclusively since '04. Well, as I said, I bought the SA a few weeks ago. For the price I got it for I was going to use it as a bowfishing rig. But, when I received it, it was in immaculate shape. I setup the skinny string and when I shot the bow it literally was a whole different bow then I remembered. This thing shoots like I remember, but it has a whole new characteristic... this thing is quiet! I mean longbow quiet! And this is with just simple Wool puffs at the 1/4 marks on the string... So, I was just wondering if anyone else is shooting Skinny strings with their Widow curves, and if not, I recommend giving them a try. It will open a whole new shooting experience for you!

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Bowhunter4life
April 6th, 2013 08:04:58am
Here are some pics I took from shooting the other day. First shot was from 25 yards, and for the second I took about three steps towards the target so 21 - 22 yards... This was pretty common accuracy for me that day. Felt like I was shooting a scoped rifle!

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DennyK
April 6th, 2013 10:04:08am

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I shoot the SBD 10 strand D10 on my PSA's. Like your set up I have 2 small wool silencers on the string, smaller then the size of a golf ball. Noise is definitly not problem. If your form is correct the bow will be very quiet. My grain per poung of bow weight is about 11.

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DennyK
April 6th, 2013 10:04:33am

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Sorry-That's grains per POUND.

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Andy Man
April 6th, 2013 05:04:40pm

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A well made skinny sring does seem to quiet a bow some (at least the one I tried); but I found a tuned heavier arrow does even more (10-11 grains / pound) Have a bunch of different arrows that I made up as per stu's calculator to spine for my bow some were rediciously long with very heavy points to get to spine; the light 9gpp was much noisier than those in the 10-11 gpp range, and one at 13+gpp was noiseless almost but showed some major loss of trajectory was just my experience with my recurve (for me I still favor the standard 14 strand D97 string with 10-11 gpp arrows)

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Bowhunter4life
April 7th, 2013 07:04:37am
I agree, GPP is important too... This bow is about 62# at my draw, and my arrows are right at 650 grains... so a tad over 10 GPP. I'm sure that helps too, but that is where I shot before also... I just made a deal for a PCH also, still waiting for it to arrive at this point. It is a couple pounds heavier then this one, and is a 56" bow rather then a 58". Hoping these same arrows will shoot out of it, I guess time will tell there...

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GILBERT
April 7th, 2013 03:04:17pm

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The subject of skinny strings VS standard strings just never goes away. Does anybody remember the thread that Mr. Ken Beck posted about about a year ago?...if I remember correctly. On Mr. Ken Beck's thread he put out a challenge to anybody of making him or her a brand new Black Widow for him or her that could prove that the skinny strings were faster than the standard fast flight strings issued, as some certain people were claiming. As I understood he had already done extensive testing between the 2. As far back that I can remember....NOBODY stepped up. Now it is that they are quieter......heck folks tune your bow perfectly, find the sweet spot on the brace height, use heavy arrows like "Andy Man" said, and practice your shooting technique. Your bow will last a lot longer, and it will thank you for it. I have personally taken bows from friends on the spot that sounded loud, and terrible, used my heavy arrow on that bow, and good shooting form....my friend was amazed how the little simple things make a big difference.

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Dave L.
April 8th, 2013 10:04:43am
like bowhunter4life i have had great success out of my sbd string, i shoot about 11gpp out of my 58lb psa with the d97 it had a defenite noise to it that i could never get totally out, i added the sbd string and found i had to go a little stiffer set up, but the gpp remained basicly the same, but my psa is as quiet as any longbow i have ever had, and shoots and feels great, i have ordered another one as a spare.. i am a believer..

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GILBERT
April 12th, 2013 02:04:07pm

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Well, Last night i received an e mail from a good friend, and was called out on my remarks on my previous post on this thread. This friend is fairly well knowledgeable, and to give him the benefit of the doubt I pulled out my shooting machine left over from over 40 years of making bows, and decided to find out for my myself "once and for all", wheather skinny fast-flite strings are indeed faster than the standard fast-flite strings? I used one of my 50lb bows, a 60" PSA-X. My bow was tuned all ready with carbon shafts, and B50 endless strand string, so I removed the Dacron string, and replaced with a Black Widow D97 standard string, and spined tuned carbon shafts accordingly to it. For the 10 strand string I made with D97 I spine tuned carbon shafts for it as well(needed a little stiffer shafts). I had to play a little until I was able to get them to be of the same weight as that used on the standard OD fast-flite string so to keep all things equal, or as close as possible. The PSA-X 60" was shot to a draw length of 29" with both strings. There was no silencers on either of the 2 strings. Arrows were 11 GPP on both arrows. The release on the shooting machine is a Fletch hunter string loop release. I used a "Chrony" Chronograph. With my tests that I just finished there was no difference in speed between the skinny string or the standard fast-flite string. In a couple of instances they was a difference of 1 fps between one or the other string....NOISE?...they were both noisy but if I had to give one the edge as to wheather one was quieter than the other...the skinny fast flite string was quieter but not enough to make a difference in a hunting situation but my ear could pick up the difference .....just my opinion on this one folks. I did notice one thing that might be worth mentioning. I had 3 arrows for each string that I shot at a distance of 20 yards thru the shooting machine. The arrows shot out of the standard fast-flite string grouped better but not enough to make an argument out of it (1" VS 1- 1/2" or so). I put my Dacron string back on my bow, and shot it thru the shooting machine, and not that you really need to know but it was so far quieter that it wasn't even funny. I will stay with my B50 that has served well, going on 60 years. So there you have it folks just an impromptu little test just to put my mind at ease, and nothing else. That is the beauty of archery. If you feel that a skinny or either the standard fast-flite string works best for you....great! Not the most precise test in the spur of the moment....keep that in mind.

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Bowhunter4life
April 12th, 2013 08:04:11pm
Well, I kinda did the same thing... After the debate, I took the DF97 string that came with this bow and set it up identically. Went to shoot, and the "old" Widow I remembered emerged. Played with brace height, to try and find the sweet spot to no avail. As far as the shooting characteristics and accuracy there wasn't much if any difference to my eye, but the skinny string is much quieter to me. This is the big benefit to me or at least my perception of the overall bow. I'm not much of a speed junky, but I really couldn't see any difference in speed between the two strings. So, for me, I'll stick with the skinny strings for nothing other then my perceived silence with them. Now, I have never used a B50 string on any of the Widows I've owned. For the most part, the string is to thick for my nocks on my Goldtips. As I always say, find what works for you and run with it! I just wanted to pass along my perception of the skinny string in the realm of quieting the bow down, never had a problem with the actual shooting characteristics of the bow or the accuracy achieved. Hope this helps some shooters out there...

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Rick Barbee
April 13th, 2013 01:04:44pm

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<p>I love skinny. It's all I will use. I would not use them if they did not work for me,<br> <br> BUT<br> <br> (To quote an old friend - &quot;There's always a but you know.&quot;)<br> <br> there is a point where skinny is to skinny, and will yield diminishing returns.<br> <br> There are also certain materials that are not good candidates for low strand count strings.<br> <br> The last thing to keep in mind is this - not all skinny strings are created equal. There's a whole lot more to building them &amp; having successful results than just dropping the strand count.<br> <br> That's all I have to say on the subject.<br> <br> 8^)<br> <br> Rick </p>

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Rick Barbee
April 13th, 2013 02:04:21pm

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Well now. That sure came out all compressed didn't it. ___ If you have trouble reading my comment, click on the image attached to this post. __ Rick

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MAXHUNTER
April 26th, 2013 11:04:39pm

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I have not been on the wall in years but I believe you may know me Gilbert. Above you wrote "NOBODY" stepped up, I would like you to know that I did. I flew down there and shot my bow through the chrono with Toby and two witnesses. I shoot a 9 strand Astro Flight string and it is faster, but more importantly it shoots a heavier arrow and creates more momentum and or stability. My string was faster through the chronograph even untuned, but when the two arrows were set up properly, as they should be, my string was about 20 fps faster. I also shot numerous arrows of numerous spines and numerous point weights and bareshafted them in front of an audience and put shot after shot in the bullseye with the two strings having remarkably different results. The results were as follows, shooting the skinny string the bow needed an arrow from the next spine group up just too have the same bareshaft results. Or, you could shoot a point weight of maybe 50 grains less to stiffen an arrow to match the d97 string. In other words, if you shoot a 3555 with 150 grain points with the skinny and the d97, the skinny is 2 fps faster. However the skinny string is grossly out of tune. To get a perfect bareshaft tune you would need the 3555 with a 100 grain point. Now shoot the two arrows again through the chrono and the skinny string is 20 fps faster shooting two perfectly tuned arrows. Test number two, keep the d97 tuned perfect with the 3555 and 150 grain and use a 5575 for the Skinny. Now you have an arrow that is tuned perfect with a 150 grain head and the arrow is about 50 grains heavier. Now shoot through the chrono and the speeds are the same but the skinny is shooting a stiffer arrow that is 50 grains heavier and has a lot more momentum and stability. That was the test and I proved it in front of a live audience. Did I get a free bow, no, but I do not want one from Toby or Roger, they did not make the claim. Would I welcome a free bow from Mr. Beck, yes I would. lol The reality is, the shooting machine distorts the results because it changes the archer's paradox. #2 The test is faulty in that one arrow is tuned properly and the other is grossly out of tune, we all shoot tuned bows with fingers. Can someone say there is little difference between the strings through the chrono, yes, but it is not entirely the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. There is more to this than most people think. Anyone can see it themselves by tuning their bow perfectly with a d97 string, than putting a skinny string on and shooting the identical arrow one time. It will be weak, guaranteed. A fascinating subject indeed.

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GILBERT
April 27th, 2013 05:04:51am

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Hi MAXHUNTER, had not heard from you in a long time. All I can say is WOW!!!,fascinating is an understatement. Having had conversations in the past with you in the Wall, there is no doubt that you are one of the few that really does their homework, and I respect your opinions highly. This is strange indeed. Granted I do not have much experience with Fast Flite. You shot a 9 strand, and I shot a 10 strand in my impromptu test as I stated in one of my posts above. I shot arrows spined for each, mostly did what you just lined out. I should have at least got some?difference...you think? but I got none in the speed dept. But that does not matter to me. I have shot B-50 (old school). The thing that does interest me is the great conversations that stem out from the subject. SO why did you not get your bow, as Ken Beck implied in his challenge. If I made a trip to prove my point there, as the challenge's conditions stipulated....what is missing here??? I am sure that you called Ken to let him know that you were taking up his challenge. You spent your money, and time for the trip, and then answer the challenge to Roger, and Toby??, and Ken is not there? This is getting very interesting. Is there more to this story??? Good to hear from you.

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GILBERT
April 27th, 2013 07:04:51am

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I read your testing sequences again. MAX, a true test between the two strings would and will be to shoot arrows tuned perfectly and of the exact same weight. It would not matter wheather you shoot them with finger or a shooting machine as I did. Both strings are being shot in the same, so what ever forces are induced into one it will be induced into the other. NO!!! the shooting machine WILL NOT change the paradox of the arrow between the skinny or the standard string. I spined and tuned the arrows for both strings I shot, using the shooting machine to spine and tune ARROWS TO EACH STRING. YES! the machine will change the paradox if you shoot the arrows tuned by shooting fingers but even that will not matter. Because the only test result that would matter would be a controlled test thru a shooting machine. I have acquired a 9 strand skinny of a friend's (we both know him) recent making. I will for just purpose of curiousity pull out my shooting machine again, and run tests again. BOTH arrows will be spined and perfectly tuned for each string using my shooting machine, and again both arrows will be of the exact same weight. I will post MY results later on today. Any claims not doing a test in a well controlled manner (SHOOTING MACHINE!!!!)holds very little credibility ...to me anyways. This is getting to be fun. Later.

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MAXHUNTER
April 27th, 2013 06:04:34pm

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I am sorry, but I didn't want to write too much as I have written so much in the past. It is not the machine that is the problem, it is the release, no fingers can duplicate a release, the arrow can not be spined the same for a release and for fingers. Next subject, it is impossible to create level playing ground for a test, it is impossible to bareshaft tune a bow with a skinny string and a regular string and get the same result, it is impossible. The energy transfer is completely different. The test can not be done with a release, it changes everything. Less importantly, I never told Mr. Beck what happened, I asked Toby to tell him. Black Widow Bows does not owe me a bow. They made no such claim. I love BW with all of my heart and I have no interest in hurting their business. Like I said, what Mr. Beck said is true,there is little difference in their test, the problem is, you can't shoot the same arrow with a skinny string and a standard string, the skinny string outperforms it so badly. Last, when I was at BW my string was endless loop, Astro Flight, Crown Serving, and decreased center serving, so the outcome could be, your string is better for numerous reasons and that I can not claim it is better because it is skinny, as so many variables have been changed.

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GILBERT
April 27th, 2013 07:04:49pm

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MAX, I do not understand why you are not understanding what I am saying. OF COURSE NOT!!! YOU cannot spine shafts using the shooting machine to be the same with fingers. YES!!! you can spine shafts to the skinny string until they fly perfect, as you can also spine shafts for the standard string using THE SHOOTING MACHINE!!! As we did this evening. My friend that has the 9 strand skinny string got here late but early enough to get shafts spined for each string, USING THE SHOOTING MACHINE!!!! Everything is ready for testing tomorrow morning. The 2 shafts spined for the skinny would be too stiff for the standard string, and the 2 shafts spined for the standard string would show weak if shot thru the skinny string. THE SKINNY STRING HAS 2 SHAFTS SPINED FOR IT, AND THE STANDARD STRING HAS 2 SHAFTS SPINED SEPERATELY FOR IT. IT IS A SIMPLE QUESTION...is one string faster than the other? The only way to arrive at an honest answer to eliminate as many variables as possible. Shooting with fingers to arrive at the answer..WELL? no! Shooting with fingers changes the paradox from one shot to the other(that you placed importance on).......NOBODY has a finger release to be perfect each and every shot. The shafts spined USING THE SHOOTING MACHINE!!! FLEW....PERFECT!!! EACH AN EVERY TIME WHEN SHOT THRU THE STRING THAT THEY WERE SPINED FOR, USING THE SHOOTING MACHINE!!! After we test tomorrow I will just let it go. If you OR anybody else think that it works for you...GREAT!!!. I elect to not to try to not make a compound bow out of my widows, speed wise. Fast-Flite just does not do it for me on several levels (thats another story) I like B-50 and many do not. That is the beauty of this sport. All this is just comparing opinions, and nothing else. I respect other people's choices. One more thing. My friend's skinny string has silincers on it so we put silencers on the standard to keep things equal, measured from the string loops. It was obvious that the skinny string reacts much, much better to silencers on it than does the standard, as compared to the one I tested without silencers before. We put his skinny on my PSA-X 60" just to see if was just his bow. Nope it was the same with my PSA-X. I was surprised.

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Rick Barbee
April 27th, 2013 09:04:49pm

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LOL Gilbert. Come on old Friend (and yes I seriously consider you my Friend) ~~~~~~ You can defend it, and try to spin it anyway you want to, but the facts remains that Alex's test & comparisons of the skinny string to the stock string heavily weighed in favor of the skinny. ~~~~~~ To coin an old saying (lord forgive me) Physics is Physics is Physics. ~~~~~~ P.S. - before you go into the shooting machine & tuning aspects again - rest assured - I know how to tune with any configuration of release you want to use - and even when using a shooting machine, the arrow will flex, just not as much as it does when finger roll is induced into the equation. ~~~~~~ Thank you Alex. Rick

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GILBERT
April 28th, 2013 06:04:12am

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Rick there is no spin here. Why not state the obvious. Yes, an endless strand string will be faster than a Flemish, a lighter arrow will be faster than a heavier arrow. Yes,all you are doing is tilting the scales in the favor of the skinny. We both know Rick, and Alex,that the main criteria here is to answer wheather one string is faster than another....SHOOTING AN ARROW OF THE EXACT WEIGHT THRU BOTH STRINGS. As soon as our mutual friend gets here we will find out without the bull of having to hold your jaw just right. PHYSICS?....2 objects of the same mass and weight will be shot thru both strings, without going into the mumbo jumbo of paradox between finger and my shooting machine that has little effect on velocity thru the chrono 30" from the bow. BOTH STRINGS ARE FLEMSIH STRINGS. I am comparing apples to apples. Just so that fairness prevail I will get our buddy to shoot his bow with fingers thru the Chrono...being that you both place such importance on fingers VS my shooting machine. Lets remain civil here because the out come does not matter to me. I do not want to loose 2 friends because of this conversations. The only reason I came back into it is because my friend after reading this thread....wants to know. Accrding to him, no matter the outcome he is staying with his skinny. That is the quietest I have heard a Fast-Flite string so far. Rick, Alex,if both of you are right then it will be so. I DO NOT care if I am or not.

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GILBERT
April 28th, 2013 07:04:38am

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HEY!!!! WTH??. Rick, you seriously consider me your friend??? LOL!!!. I have never thought otherwise, even thou we have been in some pretty heated discussions in the past. LOL!!! (they were fun). We might have to agree to disagree again. LOL!!. Rick, both you, and Alex please tell me what else you might want me to try while I have it all set up today. As long as the arrows are of the exact same weight, and the brace heights are also the same for both, using the same bow for both arrows, and the strings remain flemish...well then, we are set to try anything. Like I said I DO NOT care one way or the other.

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Rick Barbee
April 28th, 2013 07:04:48am

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Here's some math for you. `````` An endless loop will sometimes be around 2 fps faster than a flemish. `````` Note I said sometimes, because that does not always hold true. `````` In my experience of playing with manipulated/reduced center served areas, I've only been able to gain about 5 fps while still maintain enough serving for both my fingers & arrow. `````` 2 + 5 = 7 `````` 20 - 7 = 13 `````` That's still a bit more than 3. ````` 8^) `````` Rick

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Rick Barbee
April 28th, 2013 07:04:35am

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LOL Gilbert - Sometimes on the internet I just feel like things need a little prefacing, and yes sir (seriously). `````` To often folks get the wrong ideas from reading text without emotion. ````` I try to cover the bases. `````` I try my best to keep disagreements from interrupting friendships, but that's not always an easy thing on forum boards. `````` 8^) `````` Rick

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MAXHUNTER
April 28th, 2013 08:04:27pm

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The biggest problem you are going to face is getting two arrows, that are completely different, to be the same weight. Your best chance would be to use shafts from the same company like gold tips that are say 3555 or 5575, then using one that is an ultralight, standard black, and traditional finishes as the grain weights vary. Knowing that one shaft will have to be stiffer I would say a black finish 5575 and a Traditional 3555. Here is the problem though, there is no need to do any of this testing, the proof is in the bareshaft tuning. If the skiiny string shoots a 5575 and the d97 shoots a 3555 aren't we done talking abou this subject? Isn't that all that we need to see, isn't that the end of the discussion, isn't that the end of the story? If the two strings require you changing your arrow spine to a stiffer and heavier arrow,isn't that proof enough? It isn't about speed, it is about momentum and energy. I have had olympic archers contact me to teach them about this stuff, and when they switched, they sent me gifts! The first guy said, he first bare shaft tuned and found that he needed the next spine up. Then he shot the bow without moving the sights. He said he didn't have to even change his sights but his arrow was 40 grains heavier! Why does this matter one might ask, it is about arrow stability for him. For guys like Rick and I and all of our friends we have taught, who will never go back, it is about momentum, penetration, stability, and quietness. We don't even care about the speed, most of us go to a heavier arrow.

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GILBERT
April 29th, 2013 07:04:56am

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LOL!!!!, this is getting incredibly funny now. The story has changed. It is not about speed anymore. THE QUESTION FROM THE VERY START WAS WHEATHER A SKINNY STRING WAS FASTER THAN A STANDARD STRING!!!......PERIOD!!....THAT YOU 2 CLAIMED. Alex, I AM NOT, AND WILL NOT argue wheather the skinny string has other benefits...THAT IS ANOTHER STORY that I am not getting into here, BECAUSE I do not care at this point. Even thou I WILL look into that later on, being that I did see one benefit over the standard string. It was substantially quieter than the standard with silencers on it. Remember the old DRAGNET TV series (Maybe not) where Jack Webb used his famous line " THE FACTS MA"AM, JUST THE FACTS". Alex, my friend I am not disagreeing with the points you have just made about the benefits of skinny strings. There is much truth in it. It was skinny strings that we shot 45 to 50 years ago on our FITA bows. This skinny string issue is nothing new, As most everything in Archery most everything has been tried at one time or another. We played, and experimented with skinny strings that was the norm on our FITA target bows using KAVLAR back then. But that also is another story. Lets keep our concentration on the subject at hand, OK?, LOL!!!. My friend and I are resuming testing today......I hope. It will be "THE FACTS MA"AM, JUST THE FACTS"...LOL!!

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MAXHUNTER
April 29th, 2013 11:04:14pm

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If you want speed you can have speed, I got the speed over 200 fps. You can get momentum, speed, and quietness too, it is up to you. I choose a little more speed and a lot more weight.

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MAXHUNTER
April 30th, 2013 10:04:19am

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OK since we have not heard from Gilbert yet, I shot all morning with the strings and the chronograph. I shot my new 10 strand Astroflight Endless Loop and my D97 14 Strand out of my 46# PMAX. I shot three different types of bareshafts through the chrono with each string. Since I do not have a d97 string for my hunting bow I could not do the test with my 52# MAX, which would have yielded even better results with my 9 strand string. My buddy has a 6 strand and his bow is at about 204 FPS. D97 179 FPS GT Trad 3555 185 FPS GT XT 3555 195 FPS GT Velocity 500 Skinny 182 FPS GT Trad 3555 190 FPS GT XT 3555 201 FPS GT Velocity 500 The skinny string was faster with every single arrow and point combination. I also shot 5575 Trads, 5575 XTs, Carbon Express Heritage 150's, using tips from 100 to 200 grains to see how they tuned. The difference in tuning was ridiculous, which again is the only proof you need, if you are getting different energy into the arrow you are getting speed.

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GILBERT
April 30th, 2013 11:04:48am

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THERE IS WAS NO DIFFERENCE "IN SPEED" BETWEEN THE SKINNY "VS" THE STANDARD STRING...IN OUR TESTS.....IN OF DISCUSSION... I WILL LET YOU KEEP ON RANTING MY FRIEND....I AM OUT, GOODBYE....

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Robert L.
April 30th, 2013 11:04:40am
I have been using a "skinny string" for a few months now and have found it an excellent string for my PMA. In point of fact yesterday 04/29/13 was the very first time in my 57 years of archery I had a perfect six arrow flight with all arrows (woodies) scoring gold form 20yds.

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MAXHUNTER
April 30th, 2013 02:04:18pm

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Interesting, now there is "no difference". Ken Beck said there was a small difference, a few feet per second. As a scientist I know that when you change a variable you change the outcome, Stu Miller knows this, it is in his spine calculator. How is it you change arrow weight and you change speed, but you change string weight, and string material but there is no change? How is that possible? I gain speed by using lighter silencers and a stick tite glove. How is it that people all agree that d97 is faster than b-50, but some people just can't admit that ultracam and astroflight which are made for speed, which are lighter with less stretch, are not faster than d97? How come Three Rivers has a new high speed string called the Laser, are they wrong too? Is Stu Miller wrong? My string is about 5 fps faster without tuning, Crown Serving helps, Astroflight helps, and the 10 strands helps, that is your 5fps. I am surprised, your posts before the test were very lengthy, but the results were "no difference" and no details on the arrows. You said you were going to have the arrows spined correctly and the same weight, now how you did that I would love to hear. Remember, all of us have the ability to calculate the arrow weights and spines on Stu Millers calculator if you would like to share that info. That would be truly educational and groundbreaking. No one on here has been ranting, just sharing great advice and great info. If anyone would like to look above, you are writing in CAPITALS and ranting with "LOL" and "this is getting incredibly funny now". I don't need to argue, I just try to help people. I know I am right, physics is on my side, experts are on my side, and every test I have ever done is on my side. I don't need to hear "no difference" with no data, not even the arrow speed or arrow type. Like I said, this is always a waste of my time, more and more people start and keep shooting skinny strings, if you are serious about hunting it is a beneficial thing to do. People used to have a problem with carbon arrows too, how did that turn out?

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Robert L.
April 30th, 2013 03:04:28pm
I hunt and shoot for "Fun" wheither the arrow travels @ 125fps or 175fps is immaterial to me personally. My best distances are 40 yds or under beyound that I hardly ever attempt a shot and then it is either in practice or competition huntin is a whole 'nother ball game no shots beyond 25 yds if that far. I do not understand this "need for speed" but then I am a Southener.

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DennyK
April 30th, 2013 05:04:13pm

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The way this thread started and the way it ended up are 2 different subjects. What Bowhunter4life stated and what I agreed with is the skinnier strings on our SA/PSA's being quieter then the standard. He never made a reference to speed. If the speed issue was true then Ken Beck would have been out alot of bows based on his challenge of a couple years back.
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